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Post by IsItHIV? on Sept 7, 2018 22:38:33 GMT
As this forum grows in size, it's bound to attract a number of people who are worried they've contracted HIV. I thought it would be a good idea to create a thread to contain all HIV speculation. Please observe the following rules to keep the forum discussion healthy: 1) Restrict any HIV infection speculation to this thread; do not let discussion in this thread affect other threads 2) Do not chastise people for believing they may have HIV in this thread. This thread exists so they have a place to work through their issues. You may prevent evidence to counter their claims, but keep the discussion civil As we have all seen, people who believe they HIV but test negative have nowhere to go for help. They are laughed off of the major HIV forums, and turned away by doctors. This is sad, because we know for a fact that not all types of HIV are caught by the standard tests, and unusual presentations of HIV have been documented. The truth of the matter is, doctors don't have time to dig into every case. If you are one of the unfortunate few who never tests positive, you're infection will be missed. I'll open with some of the concerning research I've found. Not all HIV infections are caught by current tests: - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4213245/- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167641/The above two studies each document some false negative results found when testing a cohort of likely HIV infections. Both studies used a wide variety of tests to determine infection. 4th generation tests were included, and the study is recent, so this rebukes the lie that is often posted that the newer tests have solved all problems with false negatives Note the variation of tests that miss infections in these specific cases, sometimes well beyond 12 months. Many of those tested are infected, but test negative on RNA tests. These people are labelled elite controllers, but not much more information is provided. It would be nice to know what subtype they contracted, whether or not they demonstrated symptoms, how stable their CD4 counts remained, etc. Note that spread from elite controllers to others has been documented: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3469400/Co-infection with HTLV can result in steady CD4 numbers despite progressive infection and HAM/TSP symptoms: - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3275926/There are many studies that chronicle this fact, I've posted a summary. Many people decide HIV is not there issue after years of a stable CD4 count. This is concerning, since HTLV co-infection results in stable CD4 count despite continued decline in immunity. Thus, if your symptoms are slowly getting worse, you could be one of these patients. On the one hand, this seems to be an unlikely presentation for those who have tested for both diseases, as you'd have to register false negatives on both tests. On the other hand, testing for HTLV in the USA is notoriously poor, and if you caught this from someone in Asia they may be carrying strains that US tests would miss CD4 counts could, of course, also remain stable in elite carriers The online climate concerning HIV is not realistic. People present a rose-colored view of the disease, insist that the tests and medicine involved are perfect, deny that transmission occurs in situations where it can, in fact, occur, minimize the risk of unprotected straight sex, etc. The goal as of late seems to be to prioritize reducing the stigma of HIV rather than preventing exposures. It is my hope that this thread can help keep the realities of this terrible disease publicly accessible
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 8, 2018 6:02:14 GMT
Holy shit I couldn’t have said it better myself. The interpretation of what qualifies as “stigma” these days ultimately amounts to people who choose not to chance risking infection. They are ultimately upset that the world does not deem fucking them worth risking their life and livelihood. they are of the mind that people are wrong for treating them different, I don’t know maybe like they’re infected with a life threatening illness. (Most not all)People with hiv are of the mind that they don’t need to be worried about transmitting hiv to other, however others need to be worried about their feelings in order to “destigmatize”. It is absurd. I believe that there are levels to infection and being infected is entirely different from being “hiv Positive”. Just like the signal to cut off ratio proves.
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 8, 2018 22:36:07 GMT
Another handful of acknowledgement or examples of people who took over a year to years to test positive. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3470924/www.aidsinfonet.org/fact_sheets/view/102?print=truewww.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q208863.htmlwww.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q198156.htmlforums.poz.com/index.php?topic=60784.0forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=69630.0What is funny is that seemingly almost everywhere that hiv is endemic and Drs have much more experience in dealing with hiv will acknowledge Hiv can take years till detection. Drs in such places as South America, India, Africa rarely refute this is possible. Now when it comes to the U.S. and U.K. they will say Highly unlikely. The main 2 places that are open forums for asking these question were moderated/run by the same people initially that being medhelp and poz forums both of which were initially run by rapid rod/teak and Ann. The people answering questions at medhelp now are merely echoing what they’ve heard the drs who worked at the forum nearly ten yrs ago as well as what Ann and rod/teak say. Ann and Rod/teak who then moderated at aidsmeds forums before they were purchased by poz magazine and also moderated for the Poz forums as well and also a handful of others like Jonathan, Joe K, Patrick, wade, and now Caveyuk, and Jim Allen. They all follow the same agenda which is to downplay the severity and infectiousness of hiv to negative people in order to reduce “stigma”. They say audacious things like “it’s not who you do it with, it’s how you do it”. Believing that logic is what got me in this mess because my encounters surely were protected. If you read the “living with” forums you will plainly read time and time again they advocate non disclosure and have adopted and spread a very “us(poz people) vs them(negative people) mentality”. They do this because they are jaded. They are against criminalizing people who intentionally spread hiv because they don’t want to responsibily deal with the consequences of their actions. They believe all transmission is the victims fault. I’m sorry but “Stigma” is somebody being a bully to you because they know you’re positive, “stigma” is somebody poking fun at you for your status, it is people refusing to sit at your lunch table with you or after you and making a show of it. “Stigma” however is not somebody exercising their right to good judgement and not sleep with you for fear of contracting a life threatening Illness. This does not justify them not disclosing, or refuting when people contract hiv from someone who is undetectable. Because unless you truly love some one and have tons of history with them would you really deem having sex with somebody whose positive worth the risk? Maybe some would but in a clear frame of mind I feel it’s rather obvious(no). They adopt the motto “it’s our own fault” it seems noble at first glance but in all actuality it’s merely a guise for them to go intentionally/wrecklessly put others at risk via non disclosure due to their jaded and angry at the world mentality. Because by applying the mentality that it’s their own fault they then have absolved themselves of all responsibility when it comes to transmission because it is whoever contracted the diseases fault(Not the infected individuals). It is a sick, selfish,terrifying logic. Let me ask you this if you were going camping would you ask a bear where you should hide your food? Would you ask a pirate how to protect your treasure? Going to those forums and asking people (who failed to protect themselves from hiv) how you can protect yourself from hiv is crazy. If they failed to protect themselves why would anyone want their advice? They are not drs. Like most normal human beings you would think they would care and never want to see anybody else get infected. I believe that is the mentality shared by most of us, however not them. medhelp is people playing dr and just regurgitating what they’ve heard time and time again. And in the case of poz forums they absolutely despise and harbor an extreme contempt for the negative and potentially infected people in the “am I” forums. Just read how they they talk to the people in the “am I infected” forums and furthermore read in the “living with hiv” how often they publicly voice their contempt for the people seeking help in the “am I” forum. I’m quite certain that the only reason that the “am I” section exists is because the owners (not moderators) understand that their number of members is what validates that site and every time somebody has an inquiry because they are fearful they’ve contracted hiv they are forced to sign up and day after day members sign up nquestions roll in to which they are given rude or simply put “cut and pasted” answers which could very well be provided via a singular answer page titled “am I infected”. All the while each new member with a question is providing the site the numbers needed to seem legitimate. To see what I’m talking about just go to the “am I infected” forum. There are 50 posts per page and 274 pages. That means just under half of their members are only people with inquiries that never return. Ultimately They are merely a support group for people living hiv (all the while enforcing their views on what is valid information/right or wrong) via a hive mind/gang mentality in which they force you to accept everything they say at face value or have your posts censored and ridiculed as well as get banned(take away their support). Because if you cite valid up to date research that conflicts with the narrative that they work so hard to control you will be told to “stop reading shit online” (As if this magazine is the authority and gate keeper on what is valid when it comes to all things hiv) or they will claim the medical journal cited is in someway “Rubbish” Make no mistake about it. They will provide you support only if you subscribe to everything they believe. Feel free to go to the “i just tested poz” forum and read all the locked threads to see how many people that they freeze out because “there’s no way that they are actually poz according to their exposure” I genuinely believe that a large part of the reason they insist that 3 months is irrefutably conclusive is that they are aware it is going to contribute to the onward transmission of the disease and validate their “it’s no big deal this can happen to anybody” narrative. Let’s be honest yes there are many innocent victims who caught this from a spouse who went outside their marriage. Beyond a very particular set of circumstances most everybody whose been infected either caught it from a high risk scenario like a random hookup/prostitute/homosexuality/intravenous drug use. Also I’d like to acknowledge that my ID Dr whose experience goes back to the 1980s does not agree with 3 to 6 months being conclusive and advises testing be repeated every 3 to 6 months. Here are a few examples of which I speak. Mixed messages forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=69857.0Advocating falsifying documentation of negative status to people who have been infected by said person. forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=68580.0Victim blaming forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=32806.0forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=32806.50Offline Ann Administrator Member Re: But He Looked So Healthy! Australian Man Charged With "Knowingly Spreading HIV" « Reply #68 on: May 26, 2010, 08:49:21 am » If they're going to prosecute positive people for not wearing condoms, they should prosecute negative people as well. Threatening to weaponize hiv forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=62857.0Offline LukasAtlPZ Member Posts: 83 Re: Goos fraba « Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 12:40:51 pm » I would be extreemly tempted to bless her little heart I’m pretty exhausted from trying to go back and find points of reference for every last thing I said. Feel free to inquire about anything n I’ll pull up the examples. I’d also like to note that there are plenty of recorded examples of hiv taking years to finally present a positive diagnosis. These studies will be what I will be pulling up and adding here. Sorry I went off on a bit of a tangent but I’m sure everybody is frustrated with the position they are in just like myself has probably been feeling the same and I would just like to share that they are not alone in feeling all the frustration they are experiencing in just looking for some kind of answers especially when the professionals in medical field look give you the “I don’t know” shrug off.
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 10, 2018 18:30:38 GMT
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Post by IsitHIV? on Sept 11, 2018 1:41:49 GMT
While I agree with your sentiment, some things need to be clarified: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3470924/ - this article does not concern the testing window, it concerns assays used post infection to determine how long ago infection took place. You've been told this in the other thread and you continue to misrepresent it. Muddying this thread with purposeful misrepresentations will not facilitate the truthful discussion about this subject that is required. There are plenty of other legitimate, data sourced studies that identify issues with the window period that you could post The rest of what you are posting are testimonials, which, while they shouldn't be readily discounted, present the possibility of mistruth on the reporter's part or simple error. At least two of the sources you posted are part of threads wherein dates provided by the poster are contradicted by prior posts. I'm not saying these people are wrong, but the data is sketchy. Eventually, one of the people from this forum or the Ehealth forum who has carefully recorded all testing data and types will be able to come forward with proof of another late sero-conversion. I, personally, am more concerned about HIV types that simply will never show up on the currently available tests, as shown in the studies I've posted I also noticed you've posted this testimonial twice: www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q198156.htmlThis is also confusing and serves to misrepresent the issue further as people may see this as two separate testimonials Concerning the reckless attitude of those on the poz forum, I agree, but this type of behavior is seen on forums of all types. Probably best that this thread doesn't become a thread for picking on another forum. Feel free to make a 2nd thread about the attitudes towards HIV. Lets keep this one about trying to identify if we do indeed have it
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 11, 2018 14:30:00 GMT
To clarify I am frustrated with those 2 particular forums attitude toward hiv. I am not upset at the people who have hiv who realize that the sites are spreading misinformation and disinformation which leads to onward transmissions(which seems to be many given the minuscule amount of members in proportion to people living currently with infection). My heart goes out to all the people suffering with hiv who don’t adopt the faulty and selfish logic employed by the moderators/brainwashed people posting in those forums. The only reason I devalidated the sites to the tenth degree and made people question the source by which they are receiving information as well as the information received is because those 2 sources garner the majority of traffic in pertinence to this subject matter. It is them who are mostly being quoted by people who want to dismiss hiv as a possibility. And Most any other source in the matter in general employs their “lawyer speak” and ends all regards to the 3 to 6 month testing recommendations <(keyword) with a disclaimer that in biology there are no definitives. As well as that any symptoms consistent with hiv infection that persist should be followed up with testing. Ie if test remains negative but symptoms persists continue with follow up testing (so long as symptoms persist). (They don’t insist it be done neurotically like many of us did in the beginning however every 6 months probably isn’t a bad idea in the case of persistent symptoms) I wanted to clarify that I’m not against people living with hiv, but it is the lies and reckless disregard for others lives that is exemplified through the aforementioned forums that I am against. To be clear there’s a relatively consistent 40 to 50 thousand people diagnosed annually in America for quite some time now. Clearly the forums are not the majority (with only 33000 members in total after 12 years) However that is what they represent to somebody brand new to this situation who will surely encounter said forums. They are the ones beating their chest the loudest with dis/misinformation that they are attempting to enforce in a skewed, damaging, and detrimental manner. So the over all point is when any one of us is seeking information on the matter I feel largely that the “experts” in these forums should be taken with a grain of salt and we should all consider our sources before just believing what we want so badly to be reality(that we are hiv negative) If you truly want to see consistent data proving that hiv can take many years just search all the available medical journals.(it is there) also note that when there are small numbers like 10 or 25 or 50 mentioned in these studies. That's how many people at any given time could be found, so if said study/report was looking to be mimicked they would at any given time probably find roughly just as many people again. There is not a consistent ever running study looking for the likes of these cases. As we all know nobody here will believe anything until they get proof via confirmation per some form of testing. With that being said I am not here to prove definitively that what we all have is hiv. Because until the day that positive result is had by every last one individually it will be refuted by each and every last one of us. So In turn what I am here to prove is that it is quite possible and very well could be hiv. As well as prove the point that if we are getting through each day for the most part now, then maybe on the day we receive a positive result it won’t be so bad because we’ve been dealing with it for as long as we have.
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Post by Hmmm on Sept 11, 2018 17:25:01 GMT
To clarify I am frustrated with those 2 particular forums attitude toward hiv. I am not upset at the people who have hiv who realize that the sites are spreading misinformation and disinformation which leads to onward transmissions(which seems to be many given the minuscule amount of members in proportion to people living currently with infection). My heart goes out to all the people suffering with hiv who don’t adopt the faulty and selfish logic employed by the moderators/brainwashed people posting in those forums. The only reason I devalidated the sites to the tenth degree and made people question the source by which they are receiving information as well as the information received is because those 2 sources garner the majority of traffic in pertinence to this subject matter. It is them who are mostly being quoted by people who want to dismiss hiv as a possibility. And Most any other source in the matter in general employs their “lawyer speak” and ends all regards to the 3 to 6 month testing recommendations <(keyword) with a disclaimer that in biology there are no definitives. As well as that any symptoms consistent with hiv infection that persist should be followed up with testing. Ie if test remains negative but symptoms persists continue with follow up testing (so long as symptoms persist). (They don’t insist it be done neurotically like many of us did in the beginning however every 6 months probably isn’t a bad idea in the case of persistent symptoms) I wanted to clarify that I’m not against people living with hiv, but it is the lies and reckless disregard for others lives that is exemplified through the aforementioned forums that I am against. To be clear there’s a relatively consistent 40 to 50 thousand people diagnosed annually in America for quite some time now. Clearly the forums are not the majority (with only 33000 members in total after 12 years) However that is what they represent to somebody brand new to this situation who will surely encounter said forums. They are the ones beating their chest the loudest with dis/misinformation that they are attempting to enforce in a skewed, damaging, and detrimental manner. So the over all point is when any one of us is seeking information on the matter I feel largely that the “experts” in these forums should be taken with a grain of salt and we should all consider our sources before just believing what we want so badly to be reality(that we are hiv negative) If you truly want to see consistent data proving that hiv can take many years just search all the available medical journals.(it is there) also note that when there are small numbers like 10 or 25 or 50 mentioned in these studies. That's how many people at any given time could be found, so if said study/report was looking to be mimicked they would at any given time probably find roughly just as many people again. There is not a consistent ever running study looking for the likes of these cases. As we all know nobody here will believe anything until they get proof via confirmation per some form of testing. With that being said I am not here to prove definitively that what we all have is hiv. Because until the day that positive result is had by every last one individually it will be refuted by each and every last one of us. So In turn what I am here to prove is that it is quite possible and very well could be hiv. As well as prove the point that if we are getting through each day for the most part now, then maybe on the day we receive a positive result it won’t be so bad because we’ve been dealing with it for as long as we have. Just shut up man Old admin and old patients like omar did testing throw years 1-5 and some for more ! They used westrenblot , pcr , antibodies and antigen testing !! All were negative They wished it was hiv and it wasn’t so please take your data and go to hiv fourms and share with them your theories but not here Some people reach 1 year but that’s not us and you don’t have to run all over the entrnet searching for one handful rare cases which might be lies in front of million sick people with hiv so you can push your case If you are wishing to be hiv positive I hope that for you too and I hope you will get better soon after you get ART too
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Post by Shut down on Sept 11, 2018 18:47:25 GMT
Dear admin,
I agree there should be a place where people who think they have hiv get support and lean on each other, but this thread is just useless and totally not doing so. Instead this thread is feeding anxiety with not scientific data (links). Please shut this thread down.
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 11, 2018 19:17:43 GMT
Don’t be scared bro. We’re all going to die one day. You and I and Omar just happen to fall into the category of people highly possibly going to die of HIV. But no need to huff n puff just because your scared it’s probably hiv. No amount of talking tough will change the outcome of what has caused our infection. I don’t understand your problem with letting time tell the story. Also I thought this was the portion of the forum that only people with concerns of having hiv are to come to??? You’re safe haven where Hiv is not up for discussion is here. unknown-std-id.boards.net/thread/3/unknown-std-continued-old-forumLet’s be honest, these boards exist because of the magnanimous fear that whatever is causing our infections is possibly HIV. The forum provides a link to others who desperately hope and have latched onto the possibility that what they have contracted is not hiv. So you have a safe space where those 3 little letters won’t be uttered. But where symptoms treatment and all other facets of the discussion revolve predominantly around hiv symptoms and treatments and much more of the like. I’ll stay in this thread. And you stay in yours. For anybody who read through the ehealth forums. Don’t forget about destin32, red32, queb23 (all the same person feel free to google, he inquired all over) as well as many others who had 100% knowledge of an unprotected hiv exposure. All corresponding symptoms to an hiv infection amongst himself as well as his wife who he inadvertently infected yet both continue to test negative even 7 years later. www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/test-results-/show/1499761Updated at the bottom of page in July of 2017 This is purely speculative on my part. My take is that since we are not all made equal (some have stronger immune systems) and with the preemptive knowledge that varying strains do exist infection amounting to a positive diagnosis per meeting the signal to cut off ratio as per protocol to the existing establishment either takes repeat exposure orrrrr time for infection to grow till enough virus is established to be detected via an rna or dna test. Just because 5 years of the psychological terror of wondering whether an infection is hiv or not feels like 10 lifetimes doesn't constitute having any knowledge of what you are or are not infected with. So far all the testing seems to have confirmed is enflamation as seen in hiv infection as well as minor infections or arthralgia. All of which is still consistent with an hiv infection. Furthermore I’m curious if you guys don’t think this is hiv why would you be so worried about such manageable issues? If you remove the severity of hiv from the equation then they begin to appear to be relatively manageable conditions. A pain in the ass and clear sign of something to be addressed but if not attached to the fear of death that comes with hiv and cancer. What’s the big fuss about? I’ll finish with what every infectious disease doctor reiterates. In biology there are no definites.
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Post by In the beginning on Sept 11, 2018 19:30:45 GMT
I think everybody should respect the admin advising to create the HIV Discussion thread. And if hiv is truly not your concern then what you read here should in no way have an affect on you. Also if hiv is not your concern then feel free to apply the minor restraint it takes not to click the link to the HIV Discussion thread. THANK YOU MODERATOR for giving EVERYONE an outlet to discuss what at this point truly is a mystery to everybody discussing. It would be a disservice to disacknowledge very real possibilities merely because they are unpopular. If We stay in this thread and off the others as requested I really don’t understand what the issue is? Simply don’t participate in this thread. Case closed. However please do generate ample discussion in the other threads. Or lastly feel free to come to this thread and offer something constructive to disprove this topic other than insults and demands of a shut down by the Moderators.
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Post by Hmmm on Sept 11, 2018 20:55:59 GMT
I really don’t care about what are you saying but you are just telling the board with trash !
Those people you posted about , old admin and Omar don’t have hiv Maybe a similar infection but not the same issue I remember 4 of the old patients kept testing there cd level and all of them stayed in normal level while any hiv patients with all those symptoms which indicates high viral load would have the lowest cd4 in any infected group and you can search for this High hiv viral load = high symptoms = low cd4
I know you are lost and want this to be hiv and I hope the best for you achieving your target but please don’t waste years of testing with 3-4 cases you brought with you to hide behind them with your good talk
Don’t waste my time or others , as you see people are posting less and less as they see people like you crying for hiv theory which is the main reason we are still lost ! Panicking about hiv in each patient early days is the reason why doctors thinks a lot of us are hiv fear patients,, yes it’s painful and they should look more but we supposed to stop taking about hiv and you suppose too
Do your thing and test for hiv with all kind of tests in the world and I promise you months or one year from now you will be facing some one like trying to tell this is hiv while you scream it’s not
Gd luck
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Post by IsItHIV? on Sept 11, 2018 23:07:52 GMT
Just shut up man Old admin and old patients like omar did testing throw years 1-5 and some for more ! They used westrenblot , pcr , antibodies and antigen testing !! All were negative They wished it was hiv and it wasn’t so please take your data and go to hiv fourms and share with them your theories but not here Some people reach 1 year but that’s not us and you don’t have to run all over the entrnet searching for one handful rare cases which might be lies in front of million sick people with hiv so you can push your case If you are wishing to be hiv positive I hope that for you too and I hope you will get better soon after you get ART too There are many documented studies which show HIV infection in the presence of negative results on the tests you are describing. I've posted a few in my first post, and here's another, concerning possible alternate infection profiles that HIV could cause (some seronegative people are positive for DNA fragments on specific unavailable tests, some elite controllers start with an infection that seems to clear): www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X16000033Also, the likelihood everyone who comes to this forum has the same disease as Omar or Old Admin are nil (they didn't even have the same thing). Also, do recall that Omar has proclaimed the best treatment he's tried is ARVs. If somebody contracts HIV, speaks English, and matches the situation where they test negative on all tests, they will undoubtedly find this forum. It's safe to assume that the previous forum, which had about 100 active posters in total, attracted 10 or so undiagnosed HIV patients. We know HIV tests are not perfect, it's silly to believe an HIV seronegative patient will never find this forum The purpose of this thread is to ensure that the HIV speculation remains separated from the rest of the speculation. Be happy that you can direct the next new poster here when they start asking about HIV in the main thread. Whether you like it or not, this topic will continue to surface on this forum. Best to keep all discussion in one spot
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Post by IsItHIV? on Sept 11, 2018 23:18:49 GMT
I really don’t care about what are you saying but you are just telling the board with trash ! Those people you posted about , old admin and Omar don’t have hiv Maybe a similar infection but not the same issue I remember 4 of the old patients kept testing there cd level and all of them stayed in normal level while any hiv patients with all those symptoms which indicates high viral load would have the lowest cd4 in any infected group and you can search for this High hiv viral load = high symptoms = low cd4 I know you are lost and want this to be hiv and I hope the best for you achieving your target but please don’t waste years of testing with 3-4 cases you brought with you to hide behind them with your good talk Don’t waste my time or others , as you see people are posting less and less as they see people like you crying for hiv theory which is the main reason we are still lost ! Panicking about hiv in each patient early days is the reason why doctors thinks a lot of us are hiv fear patients,, yes it’s painful and they should look more but we supposed to stop taking about hiv and you suppose too Do your thing and test for hiv with all kind of tests in the world and I promise you months or one year from now you will be facing some one like trying to tell this is hiv while you scream it’s not Gd luck Try reading the thread Concerning CD4 counts, those HIV patients co-infected with HTLV will have a constant, or even increasing CD4 count. Co-infection with these two viruses also results an a months long acute form of HAM/TSP, which includes muscle spasms all over the body, white tongue, and most of the neurological symptoms associated with the Chinese disease. Also, HIV elite controllers can present with acute illness which becomes chronic inflammation. Some elite controllers have higher chronic inflammations than progressively ill HIV patients. It is thought that this is because the immune system is fighting the virus, but this occurs in different ways for different elite controllers, so the information available is minimal. Here's another source chronicling Elite controllers, including some who test negative or only weakly reactive: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3367872/And another that discusses the inflammation a bit: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844069/#jve4-sec-0003titlebare in mind, the fact that there are a few published studies of people with the infection that had trouble testing positive, likely means that there are other people out there who also test negative on standard tests, but aren't fortunate enough to have seen a doctor who will take them seriously. As we all know, once you test negative, on whatever test is offered, any medical professional in the 1st world will tell you you are fine. This should not be happening in the presence of obvious exposure and symptoms. Nobody's wasting your time. You do not have to click this thread. If you did not have a legit risky exposure, you do not need to worry about HIV. Some of us do
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Post by Jit on Sept 12, 2018 3:00:02 GMT
How does the highly contagious nature of this disease fit into this theory?
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Post by Bs on Sept 12, 2018 4:05:22 GMT
Just shut up man Old admin and old patients like omar did testing throw years 1-5 and some for more ! They used westrenblot , pcr , antibodies and antigen testing !! All were negative They wished it was hiv and it wasn’t so please take your data and go to hiv fourms and share with them your theories but not here Some people reach 1 year but that’s not us and you don’t have to run all over the entrnet searching for one handful rare cases which might be lies in front of million sick people with hiv so you can push your case If you are wishing to be hiv positive I hope that for you too and I hope you will get better soon after you get ART too There are many documented studies which show HIV infection in the presence of negative results on the tests you are describing. I've posted a few in my first post, and here's another, concerning possible alternate infection profiles that HIV could cause (some seronegative people are positive for DNA fragments on specific unavailable tests, some elite controllers start with an infection that seems to clear): www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X16000033Also, the likelihood everyone who comes to this forum has the same disease as Omar or Old Admin are nil (they didn't even have the same thing). Also, do recall that Omar has proclaimed the best treatment he's tried is ARVs. If somebody contracts HIV, speaks English, and matches the situation where they test negative on all tests, they will undoubtedly find this forum. It's safe to assume that the previous forum, which had about 100 active posters in total, attracted 10 or so undiagnosed HIV patients. We know HIV tests are not perfect, it's silly to believe an HIV seronegative patient will never find this forum The purpose of this thread is to ensure that the HIV speculation remains separated from the rest of the speculation. Be happy that you can direct the next new poster here when they start asking about HIV in the main thread. Whether you like it or not, this topic will continue to surface on this forum. Best to keep all discussion in one spot Another thing that doesn’t fit your statement above: a lot of old patients of this board infected their partners who also tested negative for hiv... would be a 1 in 1.000.000.000.000 that two partners test negative and are both elite controllers with no antibody, no rna and at least one of them no declining cd4. Also over a time period of 6 years that the old board existed... lol well keep trying to convince yourself that this is hiv but your claims are bs.
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