|
Post by Tsuneyasu on Oct 15, 2018 15:46:31 GMT
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 15, 2018 20:45:23 GMT
Yes thank you for sharing. that article makes a very good observation that despite all current tests they must constantly update them due to the evolution causing hiv to evade old testing. Unfortunately for us the tests may just be a year or more away... “Dr Rodgers says that if a new diagnostic test were needed, they are poised to make the change within a year or so. “It depends on how extensive the change is and how much testing we need to do to prove that it works,” she says.” Read more at www.star2.com/health/2018/02/15/how-do-you-detect-a-mutated-virus/#yguM3mHMAxYZGBYI.99
|
|
|
Post by con1236 on Oct 16, 2018 3:55:52 GMT
Yes thank you for sharing. that article makes a very good observation that despite all current tests they must constantly update them due to the evolution causing hiv to evade old testing. Unfortunately for us the tests may just be a year or more away... “Dr Rodgers says that if a new diagnostic test were needed, they are poised to make the change within a year or so. “It depends on how extensive the change is and how much testing we need to do to prove that it works,” she says.” Read more at www.star2.com/health/2018/02/15/how-do-you-detect-a-mutated-virus/#yguM3mHMAxYZGBYI.99who are they,where ? can we tantact them about the disease? do they notice the disease? will they help us? i cant contact them. who can do?
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 21, 2018 0:36:11 GMT
Since we know some people will have persistent sero negative 4th gen tests as well as negative rna tests due to infected tissue but lack of enough active viremia replicating in the blood to be detected this seems like it would have a viable real world application for detecting hiv residing within the tissue. May due away with all these other diagnosis like cfs and icl etc which seem to be code for hiv that can not be detected in blood. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07115-4
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 21, 2018 1:12:32 GMT
Also an important revelation when we discuss knowledge of transmission and just how transmissible hiv really is. One is reminded of the commonly repeated line “we know how hiv is and is not transmitted”. However this just proves that we don’t know everything and are still continually learning all the possibilities pertaining to how transmission can occur among other things.
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 21, 2018 1:16:31 GMT
Also an important revelation when we discuss knowledge of transmission and just how transmissible hiv really is. One is reminded of the commonly repeated line “we know how hiv is and is not transmitted”. However this just proves that we don’t know everything and are still continually learning all the possibilities pertaining to how transmission can occur among other things. www.infectioncontroltoday.com/hivaids/unusual-case-father-son-hiv-transmission-reportedSorry I forgot to add the link. My sincerest apologies
|
|
|
Post by Tsuneyasu on Oct 21, 2018 12:09:36 GMT
IsItHIV & In the beginning, Do you mind telling us exactly how and about when you were exposed and what symptoms you went through ever since? Have you had an ARS stage? If yes what symptoms vanished and which are still present? What tests did you have? How are your CD4 counts/ratio? Have you diagnosed anything else so far (possible co-infection e.g. HTLV, CMV etc...)? Similar cases looking for a diagnosis and cure: cosahodavvero.blogspot.com/hivinfectionforexpert.wordpress.com/
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 25, 2018 12:43:01 GMT
Yes I experienced ars like symptoms some have past, Some remain. Somethings are entirely different with my body function now and will never go back. Had tests for many many other things all of which were negative.
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 25, 2018 13:19:04 GMT
Also this is just speculation on my part but I believe the 3 to 6 month recommendation is a move by the establishment to push the most at risk population to test frequently. Also it wouldn’t look good on the establishments part if they openly admittted it could take immense amounts of time to test positive. I’m sure in their eyes it would do more damage than good and influence people to test less frequently. Not only that but I’m sure the people would also be in an uproar that the establishment develop more sophisticated tests (which they don’t know how at this point) but if we pay close attention at this point it seems more sophisticated testing is in the works (I’ve posted a few). I however have read many testimonials of people stating how Unhealthy they were for years before testing positive (all while never questioning their negative) only to get on arvs after diagnosis and claim to be healthy as can be. Much of this is disregarded as anecdotal but I would would consider real world testimonials far more accurate than a 16 month study could ever be. If you look into it even the prep data is skewed and many people who became positive early on were just disregarded as having bn positive before the start of the study and were dropped. We need to stop only digesting the information they are feeding us and just look around and see and hear all the information available for our selves. It seems the establishment would only stand to look better if they reclassify many hiv cases as cfs or me or icl because now it looks like they are dropping the rates of hiv infection which only benefits them if you strictly read their data.
|
|
|
Post by Tired on Oct 26, 2018 4:09:34 GMT
Also this is just speculation on my part but I believe the 3 to 6 month recommendation is a move by the establishment to push the most at risk population to test frequently. Also it wouldn’t look good on the establishments part if they openly admittted it could take immense amounts of time to test positive. I’m sure in their eyes it would do more damage than good and influence people to test less frequently. Not only that but I’m sure the people would also be in an uproar that the establishment develop more sophisticated tests (which they don’t know how at this point) but if we pay close attention at this point it seems more sophisticated testing is in the works (I’ve posted a few). I however have read many testimonials of people stating how Unhealthy they were for years before testing positive (all while never questioning their negative) only to get on arvs after diagnosis and claim to be healthy as can be. Much of this is disregarded as anecdotal but I would would consider real world testimonials far more accurate than a 16 month study could ever be. If you look into it even the prep data is skewed and many people who became positive early on were just disregarded as having bn positive before the start of the study and were dropped. We need to stop only digesting the information they are feeding us and just look around and see and hear all the information available for our selves. It seems the establishment would only stand to look better if they reclassify many hiv cases as cfs or me or icl because now it looks like they are dropping the rates of hiv infection which only benefits them if you strictly read their data. Interesting. I think you’re right about a lot of that. Yes they always celebrate that the number of ‘newly diagnosed’ is going down. I wonder if part of the reason is just that the tests are no longer as effective as currently thought. Viruses constantly evolve, are the tests keeping up? Certainly makes me question it when you read stories here. You also have to wonder what effect ART has had on the virus after so many years with thousands taking the treatment. And yeah, is tthere is a correlation between new HIV cases going down, while new CFS/ME suddenly explode? I’m not a scientist, just my thoughts. I would love to be wrong about this actually so please feel free to point out any criticisms
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 26, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
Again I pretense this entire post as one of speculation. Is it hiv I enjoy your posts and look forward to more. I hope you’ve been well. Hello Tired I hope you are doing well and I’m sorry you are going through this. I whole heartedly agree with your thoughts about how viruses evolve and the affect that could potentially have on the efficiency of the tests. especially with your sentiment about the affect that art could be having on the virus. If we are fully aware the virus is constantly mutating to do its best to evade treatment (treatments which were developed around blocking the proteins and sequences we have knowledge of) then one may deduce that it is possible that if somebody in treatment with “suppressed” virus by the currently known markers were to transmit the virus, they may be transmitting mutated virus containing low levels of said proteins containing mostly unknown genomic sequences. That could also explain either never testing positive like in cases of icl or the extremely late seroconversions we are seeing. Ultimately if That sounds too confusing what im trying to say is what if the treatments we are using that are developed around our limited understanding of the proteins like the envelope protein etc is stunting but not stopping the virus while merely stopping the known markers by which we diagnose the infection. Kinda the same concept as treating symptoms but not the root of the problem. We are stopping/limiting known aspects of the virus all the while potentially letting the lesser understood aspects thrive and expound resulting in more and more undetectable infections. Even if we throw all that I just said out the window, Cases of icl after exposure to hiv have bn documented since the 90s. That means that people with a potentially infectious disease have been getting told that they are non infectious by the establishment and have gone on to infect others and those groups have gone on to infect others and so on. It sounds like the ramifications of that are also potentially what lead us to this undetectable infection we all have today. Example here. www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q220169.htmlI hope everybody whether they agree or disagree with my views the best that life has to offer and I’m so sorry we are all going through this.
|
|
|
Post by lior30 on Oct 26, 2018 22:39:23 GMT
@in the beginning
I thought about it a lot. If someone who is a carrier of HIV takes drugs, it may be that the virus has undergone a certain mutation. It also explains why it was passed on to us all through sex mainly with prostitutes. The last test I did was fourth generation after 360 days of exposure - negative. I think that what we have is a kind of HIV mutation, but the tests can not detect it. Meanwhile, we suffer from chronic symptoms, I only pray for the best. It is unbelievable that because of one small mistake of a few minutes our lives were completely destroyed ...
|
|
|
Post by smartclever on Oct 29, 2018 11:28:08 GMT
Hello there, I'm the man that wrote this blog
hivinfectionforexpert.wordpress.com/
I found you from a reply message ti my blog. I'm so ..... I don't know how to say... The user Who create this post was right...i was kicked out from hivforums and doctors Just told me...you had an infection now is passed. Se excluded manu disease with negative test to the most infection disease. I don't know what ti think.
The Only symptoms i have now are seborroic dermatitis in head, i was really tired till 1 month ago and i recover all' my Lost weight and 1 kg more the my normal weight most located in my belly. I never had belly fat like this.
|
|
|
Post by In the beginning on Oct 29, 2018 13:06:12 GMT
Welcome to the forums. I am sorry you are going through this but you are not alone. This thread is a great place to discuss your feelings/fears/symptoms. Also to share any information on the subject you have discovered which seems valuable. In my opinion it’s seems incredibly clear to me that the only reason we would believe this was not hiv infection is due to negative tests post the “suggested window period”. I personally have encountered enough information to cause me to believe the window period is not nearly as accurate as they propose. And while I do believe that it is not impossible to test positive within 3 to 6 months. I do believe it is far from accurate to say that most will test positive in that time.
|
|
|
Post by smartclever on Oct 30, 2018 7:18:18 GMT
If you read my blog and read referred documents i poster (also if some are in italiano language) you Will discover how everything seems to be an HIV infection.
Let me explain....
Sexual intercourse with a girl Who have more then 20 partner every year...i was the 19 last year ad She told that me After our meeting..."i m a bit nymphomaniac"... And She has unprotected sex also with his boyfriend. I said...ok i Will bè so unlucky? Hope no...i Will wait for testing for every STD when i can.
After 10 days i start to have low Fever and feeling stranger, bad tired and with nights sweets that wake up me ti change Shirt. After 4 days more start to have Yellow diharrea and feel so bad, with chills. I had trush in mouth, diahrrea for 10 days and in 14 days i lose 8 kg ofy weight (from 58 ti 50 kg). Always had low Fever and when diharrea stop and night sweats stop i start to feel pressure in neck, low belly and behind legs, have troath ache and Red tonsil, and Warts in fingers appear. So i start to have Blood exams. My lymphocite start to drop and feel so tired. At 30 days i make other exams to check my White Blood cells and count for cd4. My lymphocite drop at 14% with 1.44...my cd4 were 32% country 470 and my cd8 31% 440 and felt so sick. Then i start to have some stranger symptoms like wake up at 2 am, erectile disfunction, abdominal cramps, headache, ortostatic tachicardia, smells sweats, suicide think...i sentimenti ti mufrind home too, i m not a panic guy (i am 40). And in my body i start to have some Kind of rash in arms and Red spots and boils in my penis. That was candida. Btw i do many Blood exams about virology and all' come back negative. My nails changed...become more weak, opaque and with strange vertical lines. A flu Will not bè so strong that make you have Fever for more then 2 months and do many symptoms. My family where i lived ti meanwhile i was ill, didnt bè infected. The Only evidence in Blood that i had was low lymphocite, High neutrphils, cd4 under 500 rate limit also if the cd84/cd8 was 1,02, and High IgE that grow every Blood exams i did, and ECG in lymphonode that were descrive in neck, low belly and near chest.
I take medicine, doctors gave me pills for sleep, but everything not works. Everything solve by itself....few months later. So i had the worste flu ever? Strange...ppl Who take HIV and seroconvert said that the acute infection they had was the worste flu ever.
Just focus in every sign. When you initially contracted HIV, you don't have symptoms...this phase is called Eclipse period, that is around 10 days. When HIV iniziate ti replicate much more and start symptoms. The First target Cell of the virus are lymphocite cd4 and the major of this are present in the gut gastrintestinal lymphocite tissue, that is attaccated and destroy many cd4 and tissue. Then It moves all' around your body infect macrophsges too. This is the reason why you Central nervous system is Attacked too and Can lead to a neuropathy during the acute HIV. Now i m feel good, i have Just this dermatitis.
So how explain all' of this? I never bè so ill in my Life, i'm 40 i already had flu, nothing was so strong like this and After i had sexual intercourse with a nymphomaniac girl (33 yo) Who never protect sex? When i got ebv i didnt feel so bad like this disease...
Oh i forfora...syphils,hcv,hav,all' negative. Screened for calamita e gonorrea, mycoplasm and ueraplasma all' negative, but they found enterococco faecalis in uretrbta and staphylococcus aureus in troath....bacteries hard to treat.
|
|